Parasite Expert: How Parasites Change Who You Are (And Why They Chose YOU)
What if the cravings and mood swings you blame yourself for were never really you?
Josh Trent welcomes Kim Rogers, parasite expert and founder of Rogers Hood, to the Wellness + Wisdom Podcast, episode 839, to explore why parasites can live far beyond the gut where standard tests miss them, and how what’s living inside you can shape your moods, cravings, and behavior.
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In This Episode, Kim Rogers Uncovers:
[01:30] What’s Living Inside of You
How Kim went from running 25 healthcare colleges, writing curriculum for Cengage, Pearson and McGraw Hill, and holding two healthcare degrees as a valedictorian, to finding roundworm, liver flukes, and pinworms leaving her own body three days into her first cleanse.
What happened the moment she saw them and grabbed her phone to make a 60-second video from a Western medicine background that got a million views in two hours.
How what most people call anxiety may actually be something living deeper in the blood, tissue, and muscle rather than just the gut.
Why stool testing consistently misses parasites because these organisms do not primarily live in the digestive tract.
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How an opportunistic pathogen is an organism that is harmless in a healthy host but turns aggressive the moment the host’s defenses drop.
How parasites lower your frequency and then live behind a mirror inside your body, faking out the immune system into thinking everything is fine while they wreak havoc behind it.
Why once the mirror drops, through herbs or meditation or raising your frequency, the immune system suddenly has to respond to a massive problem it thought did not exist.
How Kim was living in mold, contaminated water on their land, undiagnosed chronic Lyme since age 12, three grandparents dying, her mother’s cancer, and a complete family estrangement all at once.
Why the combination of endometriosis, 13 surgeries, scar tissue in the fascia, and that emotional load created the ideal environment for everything to collapse at the same time.
[06:02] Why Some Show Symptoms and Some Don’t
Why Gabor Maté says that two people living under the same roof do not have the same life, and the same is true for the immune system.
How two people can drink the same contaminated water and one shows every symptom while the other shows none.
How Jeremy had parasites and mold exposure and showed zero symptoms while Kim was being driven into the ground by the same environment.
Why a body that has been through repeated surgeries, chronic stress, and unresolved emotional weight simply cannot keep up with the immune demands the way a less burdened system can.
How validation from another person, especially a medical professional, carries so much weight for the nervous system of someone who has been gaslit about their symptoms for years.
[09:42] What the Body Releases When the Parasites Leave
How emotions are stored somatically in the body, which is why breathwork and cleansing can bring up grief, shame, or relief that has nothing to do with the present moment.
What the first emotion Kim felt when she saw the parasites leaving her body was: not victory, but shame, because she had spent five years as a professor teaching thousands of students information she now knew was incomplete.
Why she made ten videos the day she went viral, not to capitalize on virality, but to begin rectifying what she felt she had taught incorrectly.
How five years of showing up every single day to her community has moved that shame into something she now calls profound pride in what she has built.
Why we pick up parasites from contaminated water, sushi, pets, and soil, and why having a pet means having parasites as a simple biological fact.
[13:55] Making the Body Inhospitable for Parasites
How keeping your frequency elevated and taking the right herbs does not eradicate parasites but puts them into a remission state so they cannot take hold.
Why wormwood works the same way an opera singer shatters glass, by vibrating at the exact same frequency as the parasite and breaking it apart from the inside.
How you make the body inhospitable by eating well, sleeping enough, maintaining low allostatic load, so that even if parasites enter the body they find no environment where they can thrive.
Why if you eat something questionable and a worm simply passes without staying, you have made your body inhospitable enough that it did not drop eggs and build a community.
[18:54] The Parasite-Stress Cycle
How the chronic stress loop works: stress elevates cortisol, cortisol lowers immune efficiency, lower immune efficiency raises the intensity of parasitic infection, and the parasites themselves then increase your cortisol further.
Why parasites eat serotonin, which is why they become more active during the full moon when serotonin levels naturally rise.
How they hold traumatic events inside their bodies and dump them back into the host when they feel threatened by a cleanse.
Why intrusive thoughts, brain fog, and the feeling that your thoughts are not your own are documented neurological effects of parasitic infection on the nervous system.
How they deplete iron so thoroughly that hookworm infection has historically been one of the primary causes of severe anemia in populations around the world.
Why the nausea that comes during a cleanse is the body processing what they leave behind as they die, including ammonia, biofilm fragments, and stored toxins they were carrying.
How the biofilm they live in is not just housing for parasites but also for mold spores, heavy metals, bacteria, and viruses like Epstein-Barr, which is why EBV can emerge for the first time after a cleanse.
[23:25] Can You Ever Fully Get Rid of Parasites?
Why we cannot fully eradicate them but we can keep them in a dormant remission state.
How Rockefeller spent from 1909 to 1924 trying to eradicate hookworm and ultimately failed because parasites are smarter and more adaptable than any eradication effort.
How Toxoplasma gondii, the cat parasite, has been shown to remove the fear response and lower inhibition in its host because doing so helps the organism spread more easily.
Why sugar cravings and cravings for specific foods are often the parasite communicating its nutritional needs through the gut-brain axis.
[26:16] When We Design Our Lives Well They Sleep
How the right food, clean water, adequate sleep, movement, low stress, and strong community, keeps parasites in a dormant state where they cannot wake up and cause damage.
Why other countries do not treat parasite cleansing as a fringe or taboo topic because they never lost the tradition of deworming as a normal part of maintaining health.
How in 1924, after the failed hookworm eradication, Rockefeller’s team built the American public health system on ten foundational steps that came directly from their worm research, and the system then pivoted away from natural remedies toward synthetics.
Why practitioners often resist accepting information from patients who have found something their own training did not cover.
[29:13] Going to the Woods in 2019 to Die
How Kim moved into a travel trailer on their forest land in 2019 at a point when she and Jeremy genuinely believed she was dying.
Why she had been on Klonopin for 22 years to silence what was happening in her body, and how plant medicine showed her the path off of it.
How Amanita muscaria has a DNA structure similar to benzodiazepines, which is what led Kim to understand how to break the mushroom down to muscimol and ibotenic acid as a way to wean off the Klonopin.
What the plants downloaded to her every day in the forest was a single repeated message: cleanse, go deeper, look beyond the endometriosis diagnosis.
What she credits to the psilocybin, lion’s mane, turkey tail, chaga, and maitake she cultivated: the precise knowledge of what was wrong in her body that she could not have arrived at through Western medicine training alone.
How she found Amanita muscaria growing at a golf course she had driven past hundreds of times without ever seeing it, and then a stranger from TikTok in Olympia showed up at her door the next day with a beautiful cap and said she is calling to me, you need to take her.
[34:37] The 50/50 Bridging of Medicine and Plants
How Kim places her medical background and her plant medicine wisdom at exactly 50/50 in terms of what produced her knowledge and her healing.
How maitake mushroom acts like metformin in its effect on PCOS, so understanding the synthetic gave her an immediate framework for the plant equivalent.
Why the human body responds to herbs and to synthetics through the same fundamental mechanism, which is finding the frequency that matches and shatters the ailment.
How the zombie ant cordyceps clip on National Geographic is one of the clearest visual demonstrations available that a parasite can reroute the thoughts and behavior of its host to serve its own survival.
Why the horsehair worm controls the mind of its host organism, directing it to find water and then die so the worm can move to a new host.
[37:50] Herbs Reconnecting Soul to Body in the Forest
How Kim came to her knowledge sitting under usnea and plantain leaf while they spoke to her.
Why her foundational goal is for herbs to help reconnect the soul to the body, and parasites work in the opposite direction by severing that connection.
How she connected with the environment itself and let it speak to her and guide what she was learning.
Why it hit her that she had been carrying the consequences of this for over twenty years across every area of her life.
How the download she received in that moment was not this is it to go viral, but this is actually what has been wrong with me.
[41:48] Surrender in the Woods and Going Viral
How Kim describes that moment of surrender as being below rock bottom on governmental assistance, denied unemployment, watching their dream log home sit unfinished on a foundation, living in a moldy travel trailer.
How seeing the worms in the toilet after the first cleanse removed every last doubt, because she had a pain on her right side that meant another surgery was coming and she had gone thirty days without a bowel movement.
Why Kim now has a completely different body, different skin, different energy, and achieved a transformation from the person who had declined to the point of preparing for death.
[44:37] Building Rogers Hood From Rock Bottom
Why she created the Parafi kit instead of recommending existing products.
How wormwood and Oregon grape root together are the Batman and Robin of parasite cleansing because one cannot do the job without the other.
Why wormwood has the same frequency as the parasite.
How tinctures are the best delivery method because they bypass the stomach entirely and absorb immediately into the bloodstream through the mouth, reaching the blood, tissue, and muscle where parasites actually live.
Why oral health is the entry point to everything, which is why the tincture going under the tongue delivers faster than almost any other method of herbal administration.
[51:49] Self Worth Is the Signal to Cleanse
How Kim knows it is time to cleanse again when she starts to notice she has no self worth, because that feeling has become a reliable biological indicator rather than an emotional one.
Why German medicine has used wormwood for decades as an antidepressant, for MS patients, and for anti-aging purposes, with published PubMed studies that the rest of Western medicine ignores.
How a woman who had been diagnosed with Lyme realized she had intrusive thoughts and feelings of unworthiness she had never experienced before in her life.
Why Lyme is a spirochete that feeds off its host, creates biofilm, burrows into muscle, and taps into the nervous system in ways that produce exactly those thoughts.
How validation is a nervous system event that makes the difference between a person who can move forward and one who stays trapped in self-doubt.
[55:09] 95% of Americans Have Parasites
How Kim’s estimate based on her work is that 95% of Americans carry parasites, and 100% of those with a pet.
60 million Americans tested positive through Western medicine labs, and that number has never been updated.
How the same stool sample from the same collection, sent to LabCorp and to a Mexican lab simultaneously, came back negative at LabCorp and positive for roundworm and Cryptosporidium at the Mexican lab.
Why Cyclospora, the parasite currently spreading through produce, is resistant to chlorine and bleach, can pass through swimming pools, and arrives on vegetables through contaminated human feces during growing and processing.
How Western medicine is currently treating Cyclospora with a synthetic antibiotic that contains a trace amount of antiparasitic, when the actual effective combination is wormwood, black walnut hull, Oregon grape root, and a binder.
[58:21] Why the Tests Fail Us
How Kim spent part of her career training the very lab technicians who run these tests, and why that gives her a precise understanding of where the testing breaks down.
Why lab technicians looking at stool samples are not parasitologists.
Why parasites are classified as evaders, meaning they are not consistently present in stool because they live primarily in the blood, tissue, and muscle, so a negative stool test can coexist with a severe infection.
How standard testing uses only two collection days when four days are required for a meaningful sample, and the stool then sits for up to ten days before being processed by someone who may have just graduated and has no specialized parasite training.
Why the result of all of this is that insurance companies see a negative lab result and refuse to authorize antiparasitic treatment, leaving people with active infections and no medical pathway to address them.
[01:03:17] Health Sovereignty Is Not Optional
How every time Josh has given his power to change something in his life to another human being, he has learned it was actually his own responsibility to carry.
Why 2020 was such a fertile period for parasitic overgrowth: people locked in moldy homes, drinking contaminated water, running on fear and stress, creating the perfect internal environment.
How 75% of buildings in the United States have mold and the country does not even test municipal water for nematodes, which is why Seattle water tests positive for them.
Why people came out of lockdown wanting sovereignty over their own health.
How cleansing as a spiritual process showed up in her own life when she ended a seven-year estrangement from her family.
Why mold holds rage and anger, Lyme creates personality changes followed by shame, and the behaviors that estranged her family were not hers to begin with.
[01:09:26] The Plants Give Us The Answers
How Jordan Peterson researched the ayahuasca vine and the chakruna plant and asked shamans how they knew to combine them, and the shamans said simply that the plants told them.
Why that answer means more to Kim than most scientific citations, because the plants told her the same thing in the forest in 2019: cleanse, look deeper, and go beyond the diagnosis you have been given.
How Rogers Hood was founded on December 21st of 2021, was profitable from the first day, and Kim has not taken a single break in four and a half years.
Why she is now ready to return to her roots, to sit with what she has built, and to let the spiritual side of the work take more space alongside the business side.
[01:12:38] What to Say to Someone Whose Thoughts Feel Like They Are Not Theirs
How if you are experiencing intrusive thoughts, a sense of unworthiness that seems disconnected from your circumstances, or a pattern of anxiety that has not responded to anything else, the Parafi kit is the starting point Kim recommends.
Why the Limp Kit is designed for neural misfiring that happens when environmental toxins have been disrupting the nervous system.
How getting the herbs in first, stabilizing, and starting to walk and surround yourself with people who have high frequency energy is the sequence that creates enough clarity to then do the deeper work.
Why being your own patient advocate is not optional when the system cannot test for what you have.
How before agreeing to any life-altering procedure or label, giving yourself a 30-day cleanse to see whether a root cause has been hiding in plain sight is worth doing first.
Kim Rogers is a parasite expert and the founder of Rogers Hood. After 30 years of unexplained illness, she moved to her family’s forest land in 2019, believing she was dying. There she studied plant medicine and found the parasites she believes were behind her illness. Today she helps thousands of people look deeper than the tests that came back normal.
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About Josh Trent
Josh Trent lives in Austin, Texas with his love Carrie Michelle, son Novah, daughter Nayah + a cat named Cleo. He is the host of the Wellness + Wisdom Podcast and the creator of the BREATHE: Breath + Wellness Program. Josh has spent the past 20+ years as a trainer, researcher + facilitator discovering the physical and emotional intelligence for humans to thrive in our modern world. Helping humans LIBERATE their mental, emotional, physical, spiritual + financial self through podcasts, programs + global community that believe in optimizing our potential to live life well.
Kim Rogers is a parasite expert and the founder of Rogers Hood. After 30 years of unexplained illness, she moved to her family’s forest land in 2019, believing she was dying. There she studied plant medicine and found the parasites she believes were behind her illness. Today she helps thousands of people look deeper than the tests that came back normal.
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If you feel like you’ve tried everything but nothing sticks, it’s not your fault. This free Self-Liberation Blueprint™ reveals the missing piece.
What if the reason you still feel stuck isn’t because you’re broken, but because no one ever showed you how to transform your identity from the inside out? The Self Liberation Blueprint™ gives you 10 days of proven tools + expert guidance to experience that shift, right now.